February 21st, 2004

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2004/02/21 02:31:00 - Promise

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2004/02/22 14:34:01
I'm afraid that, coming to this a little late, this is going to be a long-ish post of the form of commenting on all the different things at once.

it saddens me to think that people put an intangible entity in the place of being as passionate as that about your own everyday life, or a person you can see and touch and do things for.
In place of? As the wife of the poster, I think I can safely say that this is not something he has put in place of being passionate about a person - and I certainly have enough passion in my heart for at least a dozen people, causes and things - one of which is, yes, God.

my experience of a total absence of anything within myself that resonated with what I learnt about Christianity at school is a lot to do with why I became a pagan in the first place
What I learnt about Christianity at school turned me into an 'evangelical atheist'. Before that I was just a skeptical agnostic. On the other hand, these days, I'm a Christian. A lot of what I was told at school was internally contradictory, and complete nonsense. I still think that.

I do, however, believe that it is a terrible disservice to oneself to believe that a god is necessary in order to come closer to being a truly open and loving person. One can do that entirely without a religion to prop one's ideas up.
I agree.

it's a meme, a viral idea that becomes internalised if the subject allows it to or is not aware enough of what it's doing to avoid that.
This is not my experience. Nor do I have a burning desire to go and harass other people until they say they believe out of sheer desperation. Sure, if someone wants me to talk about my faith, I will, and in a discussion like this, I will explain my position and views - after all, so is everyone else! - but then, the trouble with religion in many senses is that most people seem to forget that we are all human. All of us make mistakes about things all the time. I'm quite willing to admit that I might be wrong - but what I believe now is, well, what I believe. I might be right, you might be right; I might be wrong, you might be wrong; or we both or all might be wrong.

Why complicate the issue with a god whose nature must be endlessly debated? All that does is give you an excuse to feel worthy while overlooking the opportunities to do good that are right under your nose.
I have to disagree. All some people may use it as is as such an excuse, but that isn't what it is. I know a number of people who use all sorts of things as excuses to feel good about themselves, appropriately or not. I debate the nature of God, not instead of going and working in Africa, or feeding the homeless, but in times when I might otherwise be in a pub, or at a movie. I'm human - I need time for myself too. And I don't think it is inherently more of a good or bad thing than someone discussing anything else that interests them with their friends.

One last comment, and please do forgive the bitty nature of this post, and the possible incoherence, because I'm not the most coherent of people. I think that what it comes down to for me is that I believe that there is something out there, and the thing that most closely matches what I think it is is the Christian God. I don't believe I am necessarily right, but on the other hand, I don't think my beliefs as they stand are unreasonable, either, if you see what I mean.
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