January 29th, 2004

userinfo senji
2004/01/29 12:30:00
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mvti2.multivector.pt.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

No you aren't, you fucking moronic computer programme, you can't even react to situations outside your limited programming, never mind be sorry about things. You aren't going to change your behaviour towards me or my mail one jot as a result of this failed delivery.

What's more, that mail never even originated from me in the first place; it appears to be a virus or worm that has been sent out by a computer claiming to be me, so you don't even have the wit to tell if I'm the person you were talking with in the first place.

Thirdly, the error condition you report is one that you could easily have checked for when the person you believed was me as initially trying to had off this mail to you, and you could then have complained about it during that conversation, rather than accepting the mail and then having to go around trying to return it.

And finally, when you do try and return mail, the correct thing to do is to identify yourself as <> because then we all know that you are attempting to return a failed delivery, and don't want to be told that your message can't be delivered because you're only a stupid computer, and not a real person and you've got no idea what to do with failed failed delivery notifications.
Current Mood: [mood icon] splenetic

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userinfo mina_laury
2004/01/29 04:44:42

Somehow this makes me feel better about wanting to shriek at my newsreader when it prefaces everything with 'Sorry!' as if it's doing a Ronnie Corbett impression.

People writing error messages should remember that people are going to see them over and over again when no one really wants to see them in the first place, and not try to get cute.
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userinfo fluffymormegil
2004/01/29 05:53:16 - Re:
And DJB's an arse anyway.
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userinfo ewx
2004/01/29 06:45:12
I'm very surprised to hear that Qmail didn't use a null return path. Are you sure that something else didn't change the return path on the way?
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userinfo senji
2004/01/29 07:05:15 - Re:
(reposted with email address removed. Silly me.)

The headers are quite suggestive...

Delivery-Date: Thu Jan 29 11:39:00 2004
Received: from chiark-tunnel.greenend.org.uk
        ([] helo=chiark.greenend.org.uk ident=mail)
        by cleopatra.empire.pick.ucam.org (mailhost for ysolde.ucam.org)
        with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian))
        id 1AmAVf-0003g1-00
        for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:38:59 +0000
Received: from [] ([] helo=mvti2.multivector.pt)
        by chiark.greenend.org.uk (Debian Exim 3.35 #1) with smtp
        for <<my-address>>
        id 1AmAVY-00025s-00; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:38:52 +0000
X-SAUCE-Warning: (chiark.greenend.org.uk) reverse DNS: Error du
ring DNS PTR lookup for No such domain
X-SAUCE-Warning: (chiark.greenend.org.uk) No Message-ID header
Received: from [] ([])
          by chiark.greenend.org.uk (SAUCE v0.8.1)
          with smtp id sauce-14737-1075376-1; 29 Jan 2004 11:38:52 +0000 (GMT)
Received: (qmail 31673 invoked for bounce); 29 Jan 2004 11:38:43 -0000
Date: 29 Jan 2004 11:38:43 -0000
From: MAILER-DAEMON@mvti2.multivector.pt
To: <<my-address>>
Subject: failure notice
Message-Id: <E1AmAVY-00025s-00@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

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userinfo senji
2004/01/29 07:10:51 - Re:
Oops, and there should be my address in the first Received line too, but I forgot to quote the < and > on that one...
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userinfo ewx
2004/01/29 07:22:54 - Re:

At least one of chiark and cleopatra is lying. What do cleopatra's logs say?

chiark$ fgrep 1AmAVY-00025s-00 /var/log/exim/mainlog
2004-01-29 11:38:58 1AmAVY-00025s-00 <= <> H=[] (mvti2.multivector.pt) [] P=smtp S=32676
2004-01-29 11:38:59 1AmAVY-00025s-00 => you@yourdomain R=vpn_route T=direct_smtp H=cleopatra.empire.pick.ucam.org [] C="250 OK id=1AmAVf-0003g1-00"
2004-01-29 11:38:59 1AmAVY-00025s-00 Completed

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userinfo senji
2004/01/29 07:26:00 - Re:
Hmm, I'll have a look when I've got a sufficiently privileged shell in front of me.

(and fix the mail log permissions...)
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userinfo ewx
2004/01/29 07:28:11
Oh, and /var/log/sauce/debug.log.0 implies that the return path was correct, too.
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