April 14th, 2005


userinfo senji
2005/04/14 17:45:00 - Compendium on Voting
Firstly, ever been interested in how votes for Popes work? Schneier was.

Secondly, I've become increasingly confused during this election run up by the fact that people seem to have an axiom that I should be voting to best improve my own interests. Surely I should be voting to best improve rightness?

Thirdly, thinking about </a></b></a>atreic's carrots and sticks, how about issuing each voter with a lottery ticket when they vote? (As opposed to compulsory voting).
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Entry Tags: atreic, politics, recs

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userinfo mair_aw
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2005/04/14 16:51:58
can't you have a carrot that encourages the intelligent people to vote and discourages the dumb ones? like, I don't know, the chance of a decent government?
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userinfo senji
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2005/04/14 16:54:57
Why not just restrict the electorate to Cambridge MAs?
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userinfo edith_the_hutt
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2005/04/14 17:01:16
Because Cambridge MAs aren't as bright as they like to think they are?
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userinfo senji
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2005/04/14 17:04:36
Ssh :)
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userinfo ewx
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2005/04/14 16:53:59
The lottery ticket doesn't allow you to detect people being prevented from voting against their will the way that compulsory voting is (AIUI) supposed to.
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userinfo senji
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2005/04/14 16:55:36
I don't believe any extant compulsory voting system does.
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userinfo edith_the_hutt
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2005/04/14 17:00:06 - Voting to improve one's own interests
In addition to the problems of knowing which vote really is in your own interests:

If everybody voted to improve their own lot then you get a comfortable majority (or possibily even large minority) supressing a minority for their own well being.

Some people might believe this to be a poor choice and that voting to benefit the most disenfranchised is a more worthy goal. The disenfranchised may agree with this one and vote for themselves anyway.

Some people may futher argue that voting to benifit the most disenfranchised benifits society in general and yields a better long-term benifit than to vote for a selfish short-term benifit for yourself.

I've yet to hear anyone argue that we should benifit others even if they're better off than us already, unless it has a greater pay-off than benifiting ourselves instead.

So I suppose you could argue everybody votes in their own interests. It just happens that some people disagree the best way to do it.
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userinfo rochvelleth
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2005/04/14 17:00:36
I always think of voting as an exercise in "How would you run the country? Now work out which party's manifesto best fits". In practice (though this is the first general election I'll ever vote in! W00t!) I guess you have to take into account what will affect you (taxes, etc.) as well as what you think is best for the country and te people in it...
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userinfo lnr
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2005/04/14 20:30:39
As far as taxes affecting me I don't mind too much, so long as I think they're fair overall.
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userinfo cartesiandaemon
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2005/04/15 11:30:28
"I said 'i'!"
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userinfo senji
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2005/04/15 11:41:58
"Huh?"
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userinfo cartesiandaemon
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2005/04/15 11:49:14
http://imdb.com/title/tt0102691/

There was a bad cardinal called Albini who was going to be pope, and a fat incompetant but basically good priest (Robbie Coltrane) called Albinizi.

Reader-out-of-the-result: ...albini!
Scribe: Albin-what?
Reader: "I"!
Scribe: E?
Reader: I SAID I
Scribe *writes i z i*
Robbie: *is elected*
Much hilarity: *ensues*
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userinfo rochvelleth
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2005/04/15 17:50:55
*remembers* rofl
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userinfo mtbc100
2005/04/17 15:23:15
Lottery: good idea, I think.

Mmmm. I saw comment from someone recently to the effect that there was little point in them voting because they were planning to emigrate. I thought that this was missing the point, rather.
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