January 14th, 2005


userinfo senji
2005/01/14 11:44:00 - Question for logophiles...
What is an antonym for fanfic?
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userinfo edith_the_hutt
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2005/01/14 11:54:51
dogma or canon. Probably the latter but I prefer the former.
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userinfo senji
2005/01/14 11:56:47
Hmm. Not really what I was looking for. I'm looking for something akin to "traditional fiction industry" to oppose "fanfic".

(Questions of where things like ST novelisations fit are as always ambiguous)
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userinfo bellinghman
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2005/01/14 12:03:20
'profic'?
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userinfo emperor
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2005/01/14 12:12:13
More to the point, what would it mean? fiction not by fans? [==canon], non-fiction by fans [err], non-fiction by non-fans [==pop science?]
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userinfo senji
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2005/01/14 12:17:40
It was the area you describe as "canon" that I was refering, but as I said to Edith that doesn't really seem to fit (you wouldn't call a fiction bookshop a "canon bookshop" for instance).

non-fiction by fans would be something like the HP lexicon.
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userinfo ewx
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2005/01/14 13:45:00

One would normally call an ordinary bookshop 'a bookshop', and AFAIK there are no fanfic bookshops. So I'm not sure that's a good test.

'canon' seems reasonable to me to; you're only going to need this term when fanfic is at least hovering on the edge of the conversation anyway.


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userinfo senji
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2005/01/14 13:47:16
However, in a discussion about, say, Star Wars "canon" might mean the five films and the Timothy Zahn books but not the other traditionally published works.
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userinfo ilanin
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2005/01/14 13:59:53
Officially, the Star Wars canon is the five films and nothing else.

In episodes I and II, Lucas contradicted Zahn on a variety of points; in every single case, Zahn's explanations made more sense.

I tend to rank Zahn above Lucas for Star Wars canon as it improves the universe; then the remainder of the novelists (in descending order of readbility, from good to worse than awful: Michael Stackpole, Barbara Hambly, Aaron Allston, Micheal P. Kube-McDowell, Kevin J.Anderson, Kristine Kathryn Rusch and a variety of others who never existed)
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userinfo cartesiandaemon
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2005/01/14 15:02:11
I've never been a star wars geek, but was a bit of a star trek geek for a bit, and was assured by star wars geeks that officially canon included all the books, my objection about self-cotnradictions not withstanding. Is this wrong?
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userinfo ilanin
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2005/01/14 16:54:51
It kind of depends on how you define canon. The novels (and, for that matter, the Dark Horse comics and the LucasArts games that have a plot) are what's called "expanded universe"; they're not really canon, especially if Lucas wants to contradict them.
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userinfo cartesiandaemon
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2005/01/14 12:49:49
Yeah, what do you mean? (Assuming you *don't* mean "everything that isn't fanfic")

Published fiction?
Published fantasy fiction?
Published derivative fiction?
Legal derivative fiction?
Canonical derivative fiction?
Derivative fiction by the original author?
Original fiction?
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userinfo enismirdal
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2005/01/14 12:57:38
Wouldn't just 'mainstream fiction' or something work?

And yes, I agree the Star Trek novelisations are little more than glorified fanfic. Some of the stuff I've read online has been of significantly higher quality, anyway :D
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userinfo bellinghman
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2005/01/14 13:23:30
I think the Star Trek novels are extremely variable in quality. Some are undoubtedly among the direst things I've ever read. Others can be pretty good - you don't have to write badly just because you're using someone else's scenario.

Disclaimer: two of my friends have written ST novels. They have also collaborated on a novelisation of another TV series, in which they pretty much demonstrated that sometimes you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear.
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userinfo enismirdal
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2005/01/14 13:33:09
*grins* I remember some truly wonderful ones... *has a bookshelf full of them at home somewhere* I used to follow the Rihannsu and NF series religiously.

Then there was the one where the Klingon was acutually completely wrong, which is possibly the most anal complaint I could make about a book, but irked me because it's not exactly a complex language to formulate...*whaps self for having no life*
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userinfo bellinghman
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2005/01/14 13:39:48
Rihannsu - yes, those are Diane's. The fifth and last volume is nearly ready for publication.
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userinfo foreverdirt
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2005/01/14 17:46:34
Am with bellinghman on this one: profic.
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userinfo rochvelleth
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2005/01/16 12:37:34
'litfic'?
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