April 5th, 2004


userinfo senji
2004/04/05 08:55:00 - British Summer Time.

British Summer Time...

...is currently in place.
4(7.3%)
...is a good thing.
2(3.6%)
...has more advantages than disadvantages.
2(3.6%)
...has serious disadvantages.
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...is a bad thing.
1(1.8%)
...should be abolished.
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...used to be a good thing.
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...used to be a bad thing.
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...is horribly confusing.
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...has caused me to lose 4 hours of Birthday over the cause of my life*.
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...has caused me to gain 4 hours of Birthday over the cause of my life*.
1(1.8%)
...is the cause of the Merton Time Ceremony.
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...is a book by Paul Cornell.
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* FSVO 4.
Current Mood: [mood icon] waking

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userinfo megamole
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2004/04/05 01:09:41
We should run on British Summer Time all year. It's only Scottish farmers that prevent it and mean that it gets dark at 3pm in the winter.
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userinfo ewx
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2004/04/05 01:18:16
We should set the clocks to UTC (TAI is probably just a bit too radical and inconvenient), and go to school/work/etc at a sensible time given time, location and circumstance, not enslave ourselves to arbitrary numbers.
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userinfo bellinghman
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2004/04/05 01:34:39
Seconded.

Summer Time is a moronic kludge that has no place in a 24 hour world. It's also way too coarse grained in what it's trying to do (a single one hour jump each way per year? Why not 6 ten minute ones, then?).

I've never yet seen a half-way plausible rationale for it. If people want the benefit of as many hours of sunlight awake as possible, then get up at dawn.
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userinfo simont
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2004/04/05 01:49:44
Why not 6 ten minute ones, then?

This is roughly my thought too, except that since I'm a mathematician my immediate thought is not "make the granularity finer" but "make it continuous rather than discrete". Basically, as you say, we should be getting up at dawn.

I think there are strong arguments for having some sort of "local time" which is always relative to our getting-out-of-bed time, though. All sorts of things such as pub and shop opening and closing times, train and bus timetables and so on are going to want to vary throughout the year so that they're fixed relative to bedtime rather than relative to UTC, and it seems to me that if we abandoned "changing the clocks" and worked in a fixed time zone all year round, then shops, pubs etc would all have to put up strange-looking opening notices reading something like "Open from dawn+1hr to dawn+9hrs", and everyone would have to look at their watch and do arithmetic (which not everyone would be competent to do).

Scientists are always going to want to work in a fixed time zone which is irrelevant to people's bedtimes. Shops and pubs are always going to want to work in a varying one which adapts to the people. You do need both.
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userinfo vampwillow
2004/04/05 02:20:57
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userinfo vampwillow
2004/04/05 02:19:49
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userinfo pne
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2004/04/05 02:38:32 - summer time all year!
I agree (thought with s/British Summer Time/Central European Summer Time/ for Germany, where I live).
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userinfo hoiho
2004/04/05 04:05:14
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userinfo bellinghman
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2004/04/05 01:17:15
'cause'?
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userinfo senji
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2004/04/05 02:34:54
OK, slightly sloppy wording there :)
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userinfo dysartes
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2004/04/05 01:30:01
What, no tickybox option?
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userinfo senji
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2004/04/05 02:16:43
[ ] tickybox!
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userinfo vampwillow
2004/04/05 02:22:12
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userinfo hesadevil
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2004/04/05 02:23:46 - is currently in place
You can tell it's Summer Time. It's raining/hailing, blowing a gale and bitterly cold.
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userinfo senji
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2004/04/05 02:32:43 - Re: is currently in place
Oh. It was a little bit chilly but nice cycling to work for me this morning.
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userinfo ptc24
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2004/04/05 04:02:02
BST goes on too late, causing horrible dark mornings towards the end. For the depths of Dec/Jan, I'd quite like BWT, to get light mornings again.

During the winter the evenings are a lost cause anyway.
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userinfo ceb
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2004/04/05 05:05:00
...is a book by Paul Cornell.

Read the book! Read the book! It's dead good.

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userinfo senji
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2004/04/05 06:00:12
Does The Library have a copy?
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userinfo ceb
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2004/04/05 06:16:04
Yep. Wanna borrow? (*After* Easter, if you love me at all. Unless I'm right in remembering where it is, in which case it's easy and you can borrow it this evening. You will see why if post-pizza comes here...)
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userinfo senji
2004/04/05 06:17:44
I'm easy :).
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userinfo lnr
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2004/04/05 08:44:33
I have almost no opinions as to whether it's actually a good thing or a bad thing. But it's a thing I'm so used to that it would be strange for it not to exist, and I would miss it.
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userinfo atreic
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2004/04/05 11:59:56
There's a 25 year old bird ringing survey done in Treswell, where every week we carefully note down exactly where and at what time each bird was caught. This means that if you want to actually usefully analyse the data (assuming that birds take no notice of BST, but bird ringers can only record time in the time currently on their watch, for fear of confusing them / making the whole thing inconsistent with mistakes) BST is a huge pain that needs correcting (and remembering to correct) for everywhere
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userinfo requiem_17_23
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2004/04/05 14:01:59
(I think the 'FSVO 4' kind of went to my head.)
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userinfo senji
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2004/04/05 16:10:01
Hmm, I should edit that wiki page. Suitable dammit...
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