December 13th, 2005


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2005/12/13 22:19:00 - No dragons were harmed in the making of this film
Spoilers lie beneath the cut; not in so much that I believe that any likely to read it are likely to worry about the plot of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire as that some may find their enjoyment of the film reduced by certain pedantic points which I may reveal during the discourse…

Well, I have to admit that I rationally had to expect it to be compressed somewhat, and I was very impressed with the speed at which they got through all of the important bits of the beginning (although I was a little worried at some of the elisions; worries that were to be substantiated later). However the major compactions continued further than I'd've liked; Mad-Eye got less of an introduction than he deserved and the concept of the Triwizard tournament was roundly rushed into. Poor old Ludo Bagman got cut entirely.

I think others have mentioned that they don't remember Beauxbatons being all-girls (in fact, a simple consideration of the numbers suggests that, short of their being at least one other European magical school it cannot be, as Hogwarts has an even split of the sexes), and I'm definitely sure that Durmstrang wasn't all-boys (although it wasn't entirely obvious that they intended it to be represented as such in the film). Whilst I felt that the Beauxbatons entrance into the Great Hall overstereotyped the school, the Durmstrang one just left me with a good sense of good strong Slavic Magic (although further examination of the students would suggest a Mongoloid influence as well). Which reminds me, the arrival of the Durmstrang ship was rather spoiled for me by the beginning of Pirates of the Caribbean…

Throughout the film I felt that very little attention was paid to the ongoing classes (which was true to a lesser extent in the book really), although we got the obligatory explanation of the Unforgivable Curses (in which Moody's Imperio curse was capable of much more than it should be; either that or he was using some kind of levitating magical spider) happened.

The first Triwizard Test seemed over-dramatised (and did we need another over-done Harry Flying sequence?), but the second and third Tests were very well done I think. And I was particularly amused by the Moaning Myrtle bit (which worked a lot better for me than the same scene in the book). The Yule Ball was also rather well done, but can I please remind the Director that Padma Patil is a Ravenclaw not a Gryffindor. Thank-you.

The graveyard scene was slightly-predictably cheesy, but not in a bad way, even if my mind did wander a bit when Voldy started talking about how Harry had survived the first time around.

The ending had rather a feel of and now we have to explain the bits of the plot that were too obscure because we've cut them out, but just to make things worse most of the revelations put into Barty's mouth were in fact obvious from the film anyway. Maybe they weren't to people who were paying less attention?

On the fandom side, I see enough ammunition for both the Harry/Hermione and Hermione/Ron shippers, and expect an upsurge in Neville/Ginny shippers and a sudden spate of "My fandom includes ferretification" animated userpics.

I think there's only one correct way to end this post though...

RIP Cedric Diggory, Triwizard Champion, 1977 - 1995.
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userinfo naath
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2005/12/14 00:40:36
Yes I too got the Durmstrang ship looks like Pirates of the Caribean thing...
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userinfo yrieithydd
2005/12/14 01:03:31
Should I consider seeing it? (I saw HP3 and didn't rant much at all; you know my reaction to the first!)

RIP Cedric Diggory, Triwizard Champion, 1977 - 1995.

I hadn't realised he was my brother's age (which makes Harry et al. a year younger than me!)
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userinfo senji
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2005/12/14 01:07:15
It makes a very effective film, but I was more irritated by it than I was about HP3. I wonder what they're going to do with HP5 (which is going to be a real pain to cut for film length — there are whole trilogies I'd try to make into a single film in preference…)
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userinfo senji
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2005/12/14 01:18:39
Oh, and I meant to say; yes, those are the fandom-accepted datings as promulgated by hp-lexicon which match up with the official DVD timelines (as checked by JKR) to the extent that there have been suggestions that the DVD producers might have followed the Lobachevsky model of (remember, always to be calling it…) research.

Looking at their notes for 1977 it would appear that Cedric and Angelina were probably both born within three weeks of myself.
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userinfo yrieithydd
2005/12/14 01:23:44
Looking at their notes for 1977 it would appear that Cedric and Angelina were probably both born within three weeks of myself.

So they are young for their year then.

Are there any major characters in my year then? The twins must be your year, IIRC and I can think of people in the years below Harry, but my year?
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userinfo beckyc
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2005/12/14 09:37:23
So they are young for their year then.

How so, if they are sixth years and seventeen in the first few weeks of school?
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userinfo yrieithydd
2005/12/15 14:57:23
Aah, I was making them be my brother's year (i.e. the one above senji) and so to be born within three weeks of him they'd have to be August birthdays! Is Cedric a sixth year? I thought he was a seventh year, but I'm possibly just confused. Angelina is the twins year, which I put as being senji's.
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userinfo senji
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2005/12/15 16:12:11
The Lexicon says that Cedric was a fifth year in Prisoner of Azkaban where he is mentioned as becoming Captain and Seeker of the Hufflepuff House Quidditch team.
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userinfo cartesiandaemon
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2005/12/14 01:57:56
The ending had rather a feel of and now we have to explain the bits of the plot that were too obscure because we've cut them out

The books are quite like that, and then compounded with not being able to go back and flick through the film for the important bits, it's no wonder. I don't know if my memory is significantly worse than everyone's, but I'm sure I wouldn't have kept track of all the clues if I didn't know at the time what they were going to be for.
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userinfo enismirdal
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2005/12/14 08:38:06
Whilst I felt that the Beauxbatons entrance into the Great Hall overstereotyped the school

That scene traumatised me - it made me curl up and twitch a bit like Moody's Crucio-ified spider! Those girls were horrible (which would be in shaky, twitching letters if I knew how to HTMLise it...).

The ending had rather a feel of and now we have to explain the bits of the plot that were too obscure because we've cut them out

Yes, I got that feeling too. And the Voldy prancing around bit irritated me slightly - one of these days I'd love an evil villain who took over the universe first and didn't explain his evil plan till he was firmly in place as ruler of the world...

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userinfo ewx
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2005/12/14 15:10:13
Pulling the masks off all his followers in front of Harry before attempting to kill him did seem kinda risky...
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userinfo ankaret
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2005/12/14 13:12:07
good strong Slavic Magic (although further examination of the students would suggest a Mongoloid influence as well).

Well, since catchment areas for magical schools seem to follow somewhat out-of-date Muggle boundaries (witness the Irish students at Hogwarts, for example) it's entirely plausible, I think, that Durmstrang was set up to pull students from all over the Russian Empire and carried on doing so throughout the Soviet and post-Soviet eras. When I was in Moscow in 1990 half the soldiers on the street looked as if they'd be perfectly cast as spear-carriers for a Great Khan.
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userinfo senji
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2005/12/14 14:52:38
What I'm missing in this model (with "British/Celtic", "Mediterreanian", "Slavic") is a Germanic/Scandinavian school, which if it didn't exist we'd expect to see a sizable Germanic/Norwegian/Dutch contingent at Hogwarts.

Of course, it might be much more modern than the other three.
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userinfo ankaret
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2005/12/14 15:03:10
I suppose the north of Germany might come in under Durmstrang, and Beauxbatons might easily pull as far as Belgium and Switzerland, but yes, there's still the Scandinavians and southern Germans and the like to consider.

Hmmmm. I wonder whether there was a school, but it was so heavily implicated in the rise of Grindelwald that it was shut down? I can't see a school-based 'Grindelwald's Army' looking particularly good to outside observers. Though if that was so, you'd think there would be a bit of foot-shuffling and 'Yes, well, it used to be called the Quaterwizard Tournament, but that was before they shut Häxaskola down, and we don't talk about that'...
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