March 5th, 2005


userinfo senji
2005/03/05 17:50:00 - When a place gets crowded enough to require IDs, social collapse is not far away.
It is time to go elsewhere. The best thing about space travel is that it has made it possible to go elsewhere.
— Lazarus Long in Heinlein's A Time Enough For Love

Why do I find myself both sympathising more with the US Libertarians, and moving politically Lefter...?
Current Music: The unnamed 12th track from Evanescense's Fallen Album
Entry Tags: politics, quote, rant

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userinfo sheffers
2005/03/05 18:03:26
Because our government is increasingly authoritarian and bellicose and is led by a posse of control freaks who want to trample over the legal and natural rights of individuals.
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userinfo mtbc100
2005/03/05 18:15:08
Mmmm, that sounds like why.
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userinfo king_of_wrong
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2005/03/05 18:06:52
Because the government is moving further Right all the time?
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userinfo mobbsy
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2005/03/05 18:35:48
Sounds like you need to (re-)read a load of Ken Macleod.
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userinfo antinomy
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2005/03/05 19:25:59
The good news is, you can have your cake and eat it, because at the moment, in the UK, the Liberal Democrats are as far Left as mainstream politics goes...
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userinfo mobbsy
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2005/03/05 19:41:10
They're generally good. There seems to be a bit of a reassertion of the "Liberal" wing against the "Social Democrat" wing, the latter having been predominant in the past few years. On a simple left-right scale, that will shift them further right, but what senji seems to be mostly against in this post is authoritarianism rather than socialism which is where the liberal part of the LibDems is more important.
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userinfo ptc24
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2005/03/05 19:27:35 - Evansence
Unnamed 12th track? It's not there on mine...
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userinfo ewx
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2005/03/05 20:00:49

A school of political thought might be characterized by any of goals, background assumptions, or methods (doubtless among other things). Even if you differ in some you may be a close match in others.

More specifically if “libertarian” means socially liberal and economically conservative (which is my impression of the US meaning of the term, and is a quote from the first self-identifying US libertarian I happened to meet) then in any discussion which concerned purely social matters you would naturally expect to find a fair amount of common ground. (Purely social can be quite small, mind...)


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userinfo teleute
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2005/03/06 05:46:05
All the libertarians I know are all for privatizing everything and thus creating an underpriviledged, undereducated effectively servant class (all over again). Is this the same as 'socially liberal'?
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userinfo senji
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2005/03/07 16:12:22
I think the libertarians would argue that "creating an underpriviledged, undereducated effectively servant class" isn't a necessary result of universal privatisation.

I'm not going to try and argue this though :-).
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